Re: No Eggs = No Death

Giuseppe Soprano, I like the way in which you describe Kelli as the barometer of Chris's fluctuating baseline and "not a true character." This pretty much sums up the definition of a codependent (spouse). They expend their efforts propping up the addict and therefore never really come into their own. There is no reason whatsoever supporting anything but Chris hitting a major bottom. Addiction is a disease of relapse, and he has never really committed to any sort of honest sobriety program. I hold out no hope for this character yet with ambiguity I get a kick out of him. In Kaisha, I was waiting for him to pound the living daylights out of Juliana, or get shot while leaving the diner.

Man...I never catch on to the egg motif...missed the penguin egg thing altogether.


Re: No Eggs = No Death

I mentioned the "March of the Penguins" reference in the quotes thread. I had guessed we might see Tony watching a scene from this movie. The fact that Chris mentions it to Kelli has me thinking there is something to it. If any of you have seen that film then you'll know what I'm talking about when I say that scene felt ominous.

A short summery regarding Chris' quote. Penguins make an amazing journey to breading ground. Face months of harsh weather. Breed. The mother Produces an egg. The egg must be sheltered from the extreme cold by the penguin’s lower regions. They spend a few weeks practicing passing the egg from the mother to the father, as he must tend to it while the mother goes back to the sea for nutrition. When the time comes the couple has one shot at passing the egg. If they make an error the egg will be frozen. All those months of struggle and sacrifice are now in vain.

And Chris' ends the scene with, "Let's just stop counting the chickens." I think this "chicken" will hatch but I'm not holding out for a rooster being there to greet it.

On a side note I made a list of things we know about Kelli, try not to get confused people:
She likes pink.
Her cycles like clockwork.
She's pregnant.
She cried during March of the Penguins.

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Re: No Eggs = No Death

SoccerStud52 said:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I really think the "egg" thing only works with the concept of eating eggs, or an edible egg. I don't think the baby egg really works. <hr></blockquote>

I would generally go with too SS52, although im trying my best to hold onto this idea that the "eggs as babies" idea could be meaningful! <img src= ALT=":D">

We all know Eggs in Sopranos are pretty much a precursor to death/nee loss.....

...and we all know that right from the pilot, the 'ducks' were symbolic of Tony concerning about the empty nest, 'losing' his family, particular his kids...and we all know what ducks lay!


Re: No Eggs = No Death

RE: Carmella and Ro eating Duck Egg and Fennel (gay) dishes in French Restaurant:

First, Carm and Ro ate the Foie Gras (made from Duck livers in controversial inhumane practice of force-feeding and overstuffing live ducks). And as mentioned elswhere, the next main meal also had "fenuil" or fennel, which is the equivalent of the italian word for fennel ("feneuch") which is the slang term for homosexual that has been used extensively this season. per wikipedia- Sweet fennel, or finocchio- in literature and legend is a symbol of flattery, a remedy for failing eyesight (remember Philly's tailor going blind?), and an aphrodisiac.A "fanook" as Phil Leotard says, is a gay man.

I'm pretty sure that back in Paris, Carm was served a meal of Duck in a citrus sauce in some sort of egg or eggshell and Fennel-as part of it (eggs & oranges again)-- i was hoping someone fluent in french would rewind that part of the french waiter's food description. Interesting how when Tony analyzes his various duck or other waterfowl experiences with Melfi, they come up with some positive understanding, and the bird experiences tend to help Tony find meaning to his life. Even if Tony resists it, he's willing to let Melfi try to use the symbols to illustrate a point or get Tony to reflect on his life for the good. When Christopher has bird/penguin experiences, they are usually foreboding and negative, and C goes right for the "superstitious" (per Kelli) interpretation-- except at the beginning when Christopher mentions getting a visit from the stork. Now its like he's afraid of the stork, counting chickens, etc.

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More on eating duck-eggs: cannabalistic act on part of Carm?

Per my previous post-- given that the duck symbolism throughout this whole series is so important as a representation of family, etc., the fact that Carm and Ro were so blatantly eating duck couldn't be insignificant. Some female creatures in nature will eat their own offspring for survival. But when Livia was willing to kill off her own son for her personal benefit- it was a pretty creepy thought. And eating fennel- was it a symbol of the Soprano family metaphorically serving up (finnochio)Vito for lunch? Whether the ducks represent members of Tony's biological family or his mob family, they are considered fair game to be used to support a lifestyle that includes stacks of cash to be spent on a vacation in France. Vito was only worthy of protection as Best Earner until he interfered with the no-show jobs. Interesting that Tony wanted to protect and harbor the ducks, while Carm consumes them. Carm never did seem to be too sympathetic with Tony's soft spot for the ducks. No pets in the Soprano household.


Re: Episode Review and General Comments

Anyone else catch the commentary for this episode by David Chase on the season six set? He seems really bitter about the fan reaction to this episode, starting the commentary with "So this is the famous episode where nothing happened ...(obviously sarcastic) Look, there's a guy kicking a head down a hole, the first example of nothing happening" (I'm definitely paraphrasing, I don't remember exactly how he worded it). I kind of felt bad for the guy, he's just defending something he obviously loved working on. He even refered to this episode as something that he thought was more or less "perfect" - and then it's so easy for us fans to dump all over it. Am I saying we should all like every episode, or at least say we do? No, not at all. But that was just a reminder of how protective people can be of their art, and how much it can hurt when the general reaction would suggest that no one likes it as much as the creator.

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