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richjcrouch wrote: I think, and please don't take offence, Chase is hinting at 'Americanisation' of things being synonymous with degredation of them. This is highlighted a few shows later when Furio comes over and is in the taxi looking at New Jersey.
The Italy trip also gives us chance to see that it is a bit of a pilgrimage for these guys, and when Tony is talking to Junior, who says he's never been, it shows a limited amount of progress from generation to generation. Which, as we find out in the end, is what the show is all about.
There were some other interesting posts somewhere about the notion that in fact, the women/mothers in The Family are actually running the show behind the scenes, and always have had quite alot of influence while perhaps pretending to be completely detached from it- like Carm appears to be. Yet notice how Livia is quite involved, per her interactions and influence with Junior about putting a hit on Tony. Very different than how Carm is depicted, but maybe as time goes by, that could change (per Carm's creepy remark/threat to the school teacher: 'you better watch yourself...). The Show in general portrayed Carm as some sort of relative moral compass.richjcrouch wrote: I also liked the way the family dynamic in Italy, the mother country, is so different to that of the Americans. Italy, 'the old country' had progressed to have female bosses, yet America became woefully behind the times again.
I understand that reasoning for taking Paulie and Chris. I guess it just struck me as silly. Because if things really DID hit the fan, what good would having two of your capos be, against the whole organized crime syndicate in Italy. If this was a huge concern, Tony should have brought a bunch of soldiers with him to really watch his back. But perhaps I am too stuck on the details with this one. They wanted to take a vacation (this is obvious) so why not bring them along.richjcrouch wrote: As for taking Christopher and Paulie, I would have thought that a Don would have had to have taken at least two people with him, I'm not sure why anyone would think he wouldn't? What if something had gone bad, he would have needed someone to jump on him in the same way Ze Vitario was jumped on when the firecrackers went on.
I think you are referring to Lorraine Calluzzo. She was the one Phil shot at through a phone book, and then was later murdered as she got out of her shower? She was not a boss, but instead a shylock who kicked up to Carmine Jr. That is why she was killed, because she chose a side. Killing a boss would not be a decision made so lightly, even if the boss was female.badabellisima wrote:
And lets not forget the female boss wiped out by Phil's crew in i forget which episode. She was tooough! However, maybe i'm outta touch (big surprise!), but i always had the sense that they were stretching things a bit to be politically correct when they showed these female bosses as actually in the open and acknowledged by their peers. Is there really any true in-the-open female bosses out there? i never hear about them in the FBI stories, etc.