what do people think is going to happen as a result of this?
was the plotline purely thrown in to highlight aspects of the relationship between john, tony and phil or do people think it might have serious reprocussions.
it sort of reminds me of the storyline involving the female shylock that was brieflly introduced and then killed off right away. but nothing came of it until several episodes later when tony b killed joey peeps which we all know caused massive problems.
so come mafia experts....lets here some thoughts.
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2Well, the Rusty hit was to keep the captains in line while Johnny Sac was in the can, so there would be no rebellions. So, now the major opposition is gone, leaving the house in order? Or rather, leaving the field clear for Phil, who showed his disgust with Johnny's weakness during his daugthers wedding?
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3Tony did the hit on Rusty to help Johnny Sac and to keep in good graces with the NY side of the mob, including Phil. Don't forget that Rusty being killed sets up an opening for Phil to move up into Rusty's turf, so it keeps Phil happy too, something that helps Tony too. Problem is that some of Rusty's underlings may not be happy to work for Phil/Sac and may to hurt Phil or even Tony.
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4Tony B didn't hit Joey Peeps because of Lorraine, he did it because Phil and Joey whacked Angelo Garepe who was the old guy that was plotting against Johnny Sac along with Rusty.
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5<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Tony B didn't hit Joey Peeps because of Lorraine, he did it because Phil and Joey whacked Angelo Garepe who was the old guy that was plotting against Johnny Sac along with Rusty.<hr></blockquote>
you're thinking of tony b's second blunder that season....when he killed phils brother "billy". but the joey peeps hit was paid retaliation for the death of lorraine
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you're thinking of tony b's second blunder that season....when he killed phils brother "billy". but the joey peeps hit was paid retaliation for the death of lorraine
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Re: The Potential Consequences of the Hit on Rusty....
6I think that the low-key depiction of the Rusty hit was a way to downplay the incident, make the viewer believe that the act won't have significant consequences.
Consequently, I think that the act will have major consequences. I believe that, his "heart is an open book" comments aside, Philly uses what he knows to finally kickstart the NY-NJ war we've all anticipated.
J-Sac can't lead the troops during a war from the can, so Philly takes the opportunity to grab the top spot. He rallies his own troops by telling them that NJ is weak (Tony's condition), treacherous (hit on Rusty) and, worst of all, soft on homosexuality.
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Consequently, I think that the act will have major consequences. I believe that, his "heart is an open book" comments aside, Philly uses what he knows to finally kickstart the NY-NJ war we've all anticipated.
J-Sac can't lead the troops during a war from the can, so Philly takes the opportunity to grab the top spot. He rallies his own troops by telling them that NJ is weak (Tony's condition), treacherous (hit on Rusty) and, worst of all, soft on homosexuality.
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7As Soprano hits go, this one was lacking any brutality or comedy. Most of the others had either one or both.
The writers don't usually give plot time to events for no reason, so I was wondering what the point was to having his wife come out to give him a reminder.
My guess is that this hit will be connected to some future event. In my opinion, the hit was unnecessary and just served to fill some ego maniacal need of John's. So, hopefully the consequences will come back to bite John.
As for the power dynamics, it seems like now Phil is the main focus of any threat to John.
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The writers don't usually give plot time to events for no reason, so I was wondering what the point was to having his wife come out to give him a reminder.
My guess is that this hit will be connected to some future event. In my opinion, the hit was unnecessary and just served to fill some ego maniacal need of John's. So, hopefully the consequences will come back to bite John.
As for the power dynamics, it seems like now Phil is the main focus of any threat to John.
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8While it's definitely up for speculation, I felt the point of having Rusty's wife appear just before his death was simply to connect the actual incident to the comment Chris makes to Ben Kingsley about Little Carmine having to head back to NY. Her appearance earlier in the episode was necessary to serve as a type of mental trigger because of the fact that the Rusty hit was so subtle. In my opinion, it was more good writing than foreshadowing.
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9Oh crap! I totally forgot about that. I didn't connect that he went back to NY cause of Rusty....
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10We were told in one epi this season that the NY side has some 200 members while the NJ side has only a handful - perhaps 20 to 30.
So there can never be an all out war between NY & NJ. Tony has made some moves to avoid this and will have to continue to do so or else it's just suicide.
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So there can never be an all out war between NY & NJ. Tony has made some moves to avoid this and will have to continue to do so or else it's just suicide.
</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p098.ezboard.com/bthechaselounge ... plishak</A> at: 4/26/06 3:07 pm