Hi DeNovo. I'll merge the two accounts and leave your existing password. Just log in without the "part due".
Tony, his spirits crushed after b-lining to the fridge first thing in the morning: "Who ate the last piece of cake?"
Since I always at least skim new posts, I saw this one and had to look back at the starting post to remember exactly what I wrote, although I still recall very clearly the feeling of emotional alienation that K & H caused for me in the immediate aftermath.Billyv wrote:Tony's murder of Chris and his subsequent actions/reactions shocked me and made me take a long, considered and still partially unresolved re-examination of how I viewed Tony's character. It certainly upset me and caused severe conflict in my regard of him. I'd have to say it altered my opinion of him, damaged it to an extent, but did not reduce my emotional investment, interest or engagemnt in what would happen next. And I still "rooted" for the best possible outcomes for Tony.
This is one of the best thread topics and commentaries that I've found here!:icon_biggrin:
Hi, FlyFlyOnMelfisWall wrote:Since I always at least skim new posts, I saw this one and had to look back at the starting post to remember exactly what I wrote, although I still recall very clearly the feeling of emotional alienation that K & H caused for me in the immediate aftermath.
I would say that persisted all the way through the end of the show and a bit beyond. But as I began to put more and more credence in the theory that was just developing for me as the result of K & H regarding WHY Tony really killed Christopher and felt so jubilant afterwards, my feelings changed. I never felt again about Tony exactly what I had before, but I was more resignedly compassionate towards him, more accepting of even his ostensibly unremorseful murder of his nephew, and more accepting of the fate Chase dictated for him (and, derivatively, for those of us viewers that felt particular investment in Tony finding some real pscho-spiritual growth by series end). So the perspective and feelings I shared in this thread were not ultimate. Those are expressed in the Vicarious Patricide thread I finally formalized nearly two years after the finale and that still represents my best understanding of what this show, as a whole, was "about".
WOW. Very well-said and described my initial reaction to the episode to a T.Billyv wrote:Hi, Fly
Enjoyed your comment and updated reflections.
I also appreciate and applaud the Vicarious Patricide thread and other comprehensive discussions of theme, interpretation and perspective.
Wonderfully placed in the "individual episodes" forum, I found this particular thread quite interesting as "initial reactions" to this crucial, shocking story twist. Despite the preceding deterioration (gambling, strained relations with Hesh, Pauly) and other on-going, obvious reprehensible and questionable behaviors of Tony, this event forced most of us to immediately and deeply re-evaluate our regard of him. Though the murders of Ade and Tony B can be argued as more egregious or less-justifiable, this apex, teetering on the point-of-no return, had much more impact with its impulsive, spontaneous nature, and, of course, the prominent relationship between Tony and Chris, with
Tony's subsequent reactions and attitude more jarring and unsettling then the act itself.