References to Future Episodes

Well, slow start to the review discussion around here, eh? Hope it picks up with the coming episodes. I know the pilot episode like the back of my hand, but decided to watch it again earlier this evening, just to get into the spirit of things.

A few (very few) observations. At least one I've posted elsewhere, but might as well repeat it here.

- Chris was wearing a baseball cap while driving Tony around in the pilot, perhaps the purpose of the cap in his final scene - Turns out it was never revealed that that hat contained a wire, so I guess it was just a nice touch without much consequence. In Chris’ first episode, Tony makes first mention of his uncertainty about his nephew to Melfi, and in his last episode, Tony acts upon that uncertainty by killing him.

- Of course, I've heard it mentioned already that we get a glimpse of the Cleaver Logo right there in the pilot, when Chris kills his first, Emil Kolar (and while "I'm a Man" plays - how appropriate).

- As Tony prepares to tell Carmela about his therapy and Prozac prescription, he utters the line "Always with the drama" (after she puts her wine in position to "throw in his damn face"). In the finale, as Carmela explains what could happen to A.J. if he joined the army, he also replies with, "Always with the drama". I can't name the episode, but I know Johnny Soprano also said this to Livia, I can hear his voice and line reading in my head. Perhaps "Always with the drama" was to Johnny as "Poor you" was to Livia?

- I found it interesting that Junior remembered playing catch with Tony before anything else in "Made in America". Surely he has no memory of playing catch with the huge hulk of a human being that Tony became, but rather a much smaller boy that I'm surprised he was able to connect with adult-Tony in the asylum. A quick reminder in the pilot, though, establishes how strongly Junior associates Tony, always his "little nephew", with the activity of playing catch (and it's one of the funniest lines in the episode, too: "You may run North Jersey, but you don't run you Uncle Junior. How many fuckin' hours did I spend playing catch with you?!")

- The criticism that is such a tremendous blow to Tony's self-esteem (that he never had the making of a varsity athlete), is brought up several times later in the series, and is the very thing that an absent-minded Junior repeats to set Tony off in "Where's Johnny?".

And there's a start, there are plenty more obvious ones, and probably plenty of not-so-obvious ones (those being the most fun to find), too. Anyone care to add to my humble start of a list?

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Great post, UP.

I watched with my brother and stayed late at his house, thus my late arrival at this thread. I think billymac commented that he would primarily begin discussions on Mondays. So I think things will pick up.:icon_wink: I'm pretty tired myself right now, so I'll probably wait until tomorrow to offer more thoughts, but you've certainly given us a great start.
Tony, his spirits crushed after b-lining to the fridge first thing in the morning: "Who ate the last piece of cake?"

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One of the great things about this episode (rewatching it for the upteenth time as I am writing this), is that, despite the continuity issues, it appears as these characters have been living and breathing for the past 40 years of Tony's life (and then before that with Livia & Junior's generation). What made me think of this, is a very subtle gesture when Tony is discussing the Mahaffey situation with Hesh.

As Silvio tells the waitress that the drinks are on the house, Tony glances in her direction with a shocked expression. Without ANY words this explains to the viewer that Tony and his crew get everything handed to them and is thrown off guard when even the idea of paying for drinks (which they COULD do). It suggests a history that these characters shared.

Also, I love the smaller points of this episode. As Artie rebuffs Tony's tickets at the garbage dump, we see Chris & Paulie in the background (completely out of focus) preparing to play basketball. These details are really why I love about the Sopranos. They make the world three dimensional, and allow the characters to live and breath in that world.

I do find some of the scenes to be a tad out of character from future portrayals. Carm seems to be much more judgemental (and running outside with an AK47 is a completely different character from what we see later in the show). On the other hand, as an arc, her character, season by season, becomes blinded, more and more, by greed and ignorance. So I guess, seeing her openly judging Tony and his life, is a bit of a shock, after seeing her so close-minded and ignorant at the end of the series.

Ok, well those are my thoughts for now, I really hope more board members jump on. This should be a great 86 weeks!

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The scenes with Livia/Tony (the overbearing/tyrannical mother), Livia/Junior (the influential mob widow), Livia/Carmela (the persecuted mother-in-law) were classic in defining her character and her role in the series.

I wonder how different the series would have been had Chase not been forced to make detours because of Marchand's illness and ultimate death.

some will win, some will lose,
some were born to sing the blues,
the movie never ends,
it goes on and on and on and on........

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I hope I'm not going overboard here, but I just became aware, after watching it maybe ten times, of the song that played over the credits as The Pilot ended. Here are the lyrics to "The Beast In Me." Very interesting song Chase used to end the first episode.

Beast in Me Lyrics - Nick Lowe
The beast in me
[font=Verdana][size=84] Is caged by frail and fragile bonds[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] Restless by day[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] And by night, rants and rages at the stars[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] God help, the beast in me[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] The beast in me[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] Has had to learn to live with pain[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] And how to shelter from the rain[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] And in the twinkling of an eye[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] Might have to be restrained[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] God help the beast in me[/SIZE][/font]

[font=Verdana][size=84] Sometimes [/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] It tries to kid me that it's just a teddy bear[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] Or even somehow managed [/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] To vanish in the air[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] And that is when I must beware [/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] Of the beast in me[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] That everybody knows[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] They've seen him out dressed in my clothes[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] Patently unclear[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] If it's New York or New Year[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] God help the beast in me[/SIZE][/font]
[font=Verdana][size=84] The beast in me


some will win, some will lose,
some were born to sing the blues,
the movie never ends,
it goes on and on and on and on........

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Ditto on great catch mperkins! (Like on Big Love, a main pair of Mormon characters stashes huge amounts of cash in fake cans of pea soup, and they exchange money in terms of 'ten cans of pea soup', etc.) What kind of soup was it again- that Tony and Carmella were stashing? was that same soup used or referred to elsewhere anyone remember? would've been a good trivia question. :icon_razz:
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