Re: Episode Review and General Comments

#92
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I'm in the camp that believes Janice impressed Tony by getting Bobby Jr to listen... I believe this is why Tony makes John sell the house to Janice.<hr></blockquote>


I think I must have a mental block to seeing this - maybe because I have such personal dislike for how Janice has treated Bobby's kids over the past 3 season ( anad I am not a 100% Janice hater - but I do think she's treated those children in a very belittling manner and the needed discipline she doses out doesn't outweigh that fact in my view)

also, the scene right after the bobby jr scene is Tony in Melfi's office raging against Janice and talking about how he always did as he was told while Janice ran wild and eventually took off. I think if Janice made such a positive impression on him regarding bobby jr. it would have come out in the Melfi session -- IMHO he was either negative (Janice=Livia) or neutral (totally focused on Bobby Jr. 'doing what he's told') during the bobby jr. scene

then again, a lot of people seem to see it the other way - so i'm most likely off base <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":(">



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Re: Episode Review and General Comments

#93
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>also, the scene right after the bobby jr scene is Tony in Melfi's office raging against Janice and talking about how he always did as he was told while Janice ran wild and eventually took off. <hr></blockquote>

The scene in Melfi's office, about Janice, I believe took place before he went to their house.



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Re: Episode Review and General Comments

#94
<blockquote>Quote:<hr>The scene in Melfi's office, about Janice, I believe took place before he went to their house.<hr></blockquote>


there were 2 melfi scenes - both included discussions of janice. one before the bobby jr. scene and one immediately after (the 1st one was about how janice visited Tony at work .... the second one started with Tony talking about Bobby's eye and then complaining that 'it's one thing after another with her family' and how Janice 'attracts problems and 'creams over the misery''(then Melfi asks if Janice 'reminds him of anyone')
. the 2nd visit is when Tony talks about the 'heroic sh&t' Janice pulled when dealing with Livia (which some may see as evidence that he was impressed with Janice's dealing with Bobby Jr. - though I still respectfully disagree)


separately, just rewatched episode and something i totally missed the first time was Paulie's notable concern for Bobby, particularly in contrast to Tony and given the fact that Paulie and Bobby were about to kill each other just last episode.

maybe Paulie truly had a '3 o'clock' conversion of sorts?
(of course it doesn't stop him from repeating Tony's 'cops don't even go there' line in front of the guys, but then again, it's paulie)

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p098.ezboard.com/bthechaselounge.showUserPublicProfile?gid=edamaria>EdaMaria</A> at: 5/16/06 8:04 pm

Re: Episode Review and General Comments

#96
In regards to Bobby Baccala getting shot, I have to confess I was pretty surprised too.

This is not the first time we've seen the Sopranos getting a bloody eye (forgive the pun) from the "streets". Remember when Christopher got ripped off by the drug dealers who beat him and stole his car and wallet?

As much as these guys yell about "do you know who I am" and "you're going to regret this," they are more or less impotent when it comes to gangs or inner city thugs taking them. I realize it is impractical for an army of Italian mafioso's to roll into downtown Newark and try to find their attackers, but they don't seem able to do anything about this threat.

I'm not sure what that means in any kind of larger context, it just struck me as interesting that there wasn't even any kind of discussion of getting revenge on the kids that did that to Bobby.

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>As much as these guys yell about "do you know who I am" and "you're going to regret this," they are more or less impotent when it comes to gangs or inner city thugs taking them. I realize it is impractical for an army of Italian mafioso's to roll into downtown Newark and try to find their attackers, but they don't seem able to do anything about this threat.<hr></blockquote>

DGC: I saw it as a paralell to Tony and Chris jacking the Vipers in last week's episode. When the bikers tell Chris that they are "fucking" with the "Vipers", the NJ mob guys mockingly laugh at them as an amatuer Pennsylvania hick biker gang; a joke, not worthy of respect from the LCN boys.

This week, Bobby gets jacked by a pack of youg street kids who don't give a shit about who he is; he is a joke to them, not worhty of their respect.

I thought it was also a nice tie in with Patsie's prescient question: "What is happening to this neighborhood?" Just another example of old school O.C. losing its grip and monopoly on crime for profit.

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Re: Episode Review and General Comments

#98
DGC,

I agree and if I was Bobby, I'd certainly want to get a few guys together and plant ourselves near the bookie's place a couple of hours before sunset and wait and see if we could catch the kids.

Then, I'd love to take them away for a little baseball game ... Mafia style ... and during the game, I'd remind them about my warning them who they were messing with. By the end of the game, I'm sure they'd have no doubt left in their minds.


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Re: Episode Review and General Comments

#99
billymac: I think that's a good read. I guess I just saw Tony's crew as a bit more capable than the small-time Vipers, but you raise an excellent point about that parallel. I guess there are two ways to read this, and I didn't articulate the second very well in my earlier post, if at all.

1) The mob is not as powerful or influential as it thinks it is, and is in essence impotent against the type of violence ingrained in the inner city. Notice that Tony's best victims are the ones who have no idea how to protect themselves, or no means of doing so even if they wanted to.

2) Tony just doesn't care that Bobby nearly lost an eye. He could have rounded up a posse and sent them into the hood to camp out by the bookie's place like was suggested in the post below yours. But this might mean the risk of some of his guys getting shot, or arrested in a firefight, and he doesn't think the reward of avenging Bobby's injury or establishing street cred for himself is worth it.

Is there a chance that Tony's "laid back" (in his armchair recliner no less) approach to Bobby's injury while he is watching the game with Bobby reflects a cost/benefit analysis wherein the cost of inflicting revenge is much greater than the benefit?

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Re: Episode Review and General Comments

#100
Those kids looked pretty young, were they all even past the age of 13?

Tony is not going to do anything to a kid, not anything drastic anyway. And honestly, Bobby probably wouldn't either. They both have sons and Tony knows how stupid kids can be after some of the stunts AJ has pulled.



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