Re: Sloppy Robbery

#21
i apologize for having a minimal knowledge of the way a major cities police department works.

i didn't mean to burst any bubbles for you.

</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p098.ezboard.com/bthechaselounge.showUserPublicProfile?gid=mrgebowitz>Mr Gebowitz</A> at: 3/28/06 7:07 pm

Re: Sloppy Robbery

#22
Great thread. Back in the day of the old Sopranoland Forum, I used to raise these very issues. After being mercilessly flamed in response and accused of reducing the Sopranos to cops and robbers television, I suspended my need for conventional and linear forensics. Some of the old posters with a vast knowledge of mob arcana consistently suggested that all of the various heists, whackings, kneeball smashings and extortions were being surveilled and archived for a future RICO action.


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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Just to note, when Tony S. shot Tony B. on the porch at the farm, he was wearing latex gloves, and he dropped the gun and the gloves right there and left. Sometimes the show does show those kinds of details. <hr></blockquote>

THIS is what gets me. WTH would he wear gloves for a murder up in the boondocks and yet this is never an issue for ANY of the other crimes. Keep it all one way or the other.

Think about it - the gloves were so out of character for the show that we all remember them...

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>if Chase wants us to be concerned about the police having a solid lead, he will give us a fairly sizable clue on camera. I mean seriously, would you rather that an additional five minutes of screen time from this episode had been dedicated to Paulie running around wiping his fingerprints off everything he touched?<hr></blockquote>

While I wholeheartedly agree that at least some disbelief suspension must take place in order to watch any drama that deals with the types of things this one does, I also agree with Mr. Gebowitz that this scene bothered me.

We like to give Chase so much credit for not spoon feeding his audience or taking us for granted. Yet, in many of these scenes in which a violent crime is perpetrated, we are forced to accept the notion that, as in this example, (presumably) two known NJ organized crime figures, at least one of which (Paulie) we know to have spent at least two stints in jail, can commit a triple-homicide in a location where, judging by the stacks of cash, some pretty major narcotics activities are going on, and neither one even thinks to put a pair of gloves on beofore going in to the building? Now I know that they were not expecting a shootout, as the plotline told us prior to the scene, but come on. They thought enough to bring the guns, right?

My point is, the average viewer has likely seen too many crime scenes in movies and TV for that sort of ommission not to be troubling, and I think Chase should know it.

Another thing- (as long as we're nitpicking <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> ) In the opening scene, Paulie and Vito were cautious enough to meet in the middle of the night on a deserted street to pass a small scrap of paper with the address of the building where the job was. Yet, later in the ep, when it was time to split the cash, Paulie drives over to Vitos house, walks right up to the front door, rings the bell, and walks into a fellow mafia captain's house with a million in cash in a shopping bag. The cops don't know where these guys live? They wouldn't think there's even a chance that someone might be watching? After all, Tony did tell Paulie last season that they were watching all of their houses (might've been an excuse, but just the same). I can't believe they wouldn't have chosen some other location to split the money.

I know, its nitpicking, but c'mon...



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#25
Remember, Paulie and Vito were expecting the Colombians' apartment to be empty. They didn't go to the building anticipating any gun play.

Also, in Season 4 when when Chris killed the cop who killed his father (according to Tony), he wiped the gun clean of prints and used his handkerchief to take the guy's wallet out his pocket.

The difference seems to be planned violence (care is taken) vs. crimes of passion or surprises (care is not taken).

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agreed, they weren't expecting it. however there would be a case for being cautious and at least wearing gloves.

BUT, i honestly think (as did a previous poster) that Chase et al are just sparing us the tedious viewing of them wiping the place down. We don't need to see them cleaning the place out after the event, I would rather have the screentime focus on the things relevant to the overall plotline. We can take for granted they wouldnt have left three bodies in a place with their fingerprints everywhere, whether it was a planned hit or not. To suggest otherwise is basically implying these mobsters don't know how to "do their job" - which is ridiculous. Paulie has clipped what, 25 guys? And he's going to leave three bodies in a flat with his prints on (one of the bodies with a knife in his chest with his prints on) and walk away? Please, I don't think so.

As a case in point they clearly made an effort to get rid of the evidence of Tracy being beaten to death by Ralphie, which was also an impulsive murder, not planned.

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#28
I guess this is an off-screen unknown for us to ponder!

In reality though, what did they touch? The dishwasher, fridge, table (maybe) the knife in the colombian's chest, and the money counter? A couple of cupboard doors?

The guard they killed opened the front door, we dont see it closed (we hear it, but it couldve been kicked shut)

Would take a few minutes to wipe down a few surfaces anyway.

All due respect, in my view, someone as "experienced" as Paulie is never, ever, ever in a million years, going to leave a place with three dead bodies and his prints for the police to find.

Can I bring up Pine Barrens here where they went to the Russian's flat and ended up taking him to Pine Barrens(?) - should we assume Chris and Paulie left their prints everywhere? No, surely they'd have given the place a quick wipe down before they left, knowing they were going to clip the guy (and in fact already thinking that they had)

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Another thing- (as long as we're nitpicking ) In the opening scene, Paulie and Vito were cautious enough to meet in the middle of the night on a deserted street to pass a small scrap of paper with the address of the building where the job was. Yet, later in the ep, when it was time to split the cash, Paulie drives over to Vitos house, walks right up to the front door, rings the bell, and walks into a fellow mafia captain's house with a million in cash in a shopping bag. The cops don't know where these guys live? They wouldn't think there's even a chance that someone might be watching? After all, Tony did tell Paulie last season that they were watching all of their houses (might've been an excuse, but just the same). I can't believe they wouldn't have chosen some other location to split the money.<hr></blockquote>


No, very good pick up. I agree it would have made more sense to meet at his home for the note passing and in the street for the cash passing.

Or just memorize the addy!@

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