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Re: Episode 6.19: The Second Coming - Grades and General Rev

#201
songlife1 wrote:I think a better way to handle Frank's appearances would be to exclude him entirely, and have Tony talk to an empty chair where Phil would normally be sitting. A chair is wooden and stiff by design and would require far less money to be that way onscreen than Frank Vincent, who charges money for his acting services, but is as stiff and wooden as the chair. Tony would speak, they'd cut to the empty chair and silence, and Gandolfini would then have the opportunity to show his natural creativity and passionate emotions in his responses. This fits in perfectly with the occasional surreality of the show. Phil Leotardo would be credited as "The Chair".

I believe Chase is aware of Vincent's robotic acting, and he made us aware of his awareness in The Test Dream, in the scene where Tony points his finger at Phil as if it were a gun. This was Chase's way of saying, "Yes fans, I know I made a mistake by hiring a bad actor like Frank on a show filled with great actors. I'd like to kill him off, but now he's become too involved in the plot. So I'll kill him off in this dream episode, with a nonexistent gun, to illustrate that concept. It's symbolic of what I, the creator of the show, would like to do to Frank Vincent in reality. In an outtake, I actually pointed my finger at him as he lay on the street, under the guise of showing the actor how I wanted it done. Secretly, I was living out my fantasy. It was a therapeutic experience for me and allowed me to continue dealing with this robotic actor, even knowing that I should've hired a chair in his place."

In a later episode Phil was only heard through a window, which shows that Chase's patience with Vincent is running out. This is sort of a spoiler, but I heard that in the next show, Phil accidentally drinks an invisibility potion and is not seen or heard on screen at all. Tony will be talking to an empty chair and respond as if he'd heard Phil talking. I understand this is the episode that the chair is sending in for Emmy consideration. Vincent has not been officially fired, but was given a lovely new set of golf clubs and a free membership to his local course, as well as a brochure containing info on local acting schools. My sources tell me Vincent was not upset by this because he's been asleep since 1996. Cast members were heard to mutter, "That explains a lot." James Gandolfini was said to be in quite a celebratory mood, complete with party hat and tooter, exclaiming "I told 'em they shoulda got De Niro for that part, but I guess the chair is an improvement over Frank. And what was wrong with Curatola anyway, that they had to replace him with a robot?"


I'm really hoping this entire post was just a joke. Vincent is playing the part very well.

Re: Episode 6.19: The Second Coming - Grades and General Rev

#202
Boogie2 wrote:Quick question I haven't seen an answer to:

If Meadow's new boyfriend is Patsy's son, why does he ask, "What was that all about?" after the Coco incident? Even if he himself is as unconnected to the business as Meadow is, he should know just as much "what that was all about" as she does, having grown up around them. And what does it say about him that he stood up to those guys given that he must know what business they're in?


This may have been answered but it is late and I need to quit reading.

Patrick is asking Meadow specifically if she knows what "that was all about".

It was not a general question as to whether it might or might not relate to mob business. It did not imply that Pat did not know about mafia life.

Simple question = simple answer.

Meadow had no clue that the implied threats were because Tony had cut off the guy's job as a tactic, due to problems dealing with Phil and NY.

Pat wondered if she did know what was behind it. IE. did she know the guy, had she had a run in with him before, was this a stranger from her past showing up etc. Did Meadow know why this guy would be picking on her.

Simple answer: No, she had no idea why this guy was approaching her and intimidating her. Tony would never share that sort of info with his wife much less his children.

Re: Episode 6.19: The Second Coming - Grades and General Rev

#206
I mentioned this earlier (got skipped right over, I guess) - I take the asbestos to suggest the outcome of Tony's decisions/actions. Throughout the past two episodes where Tony is either killing Chris, showing no remorse, tripping on peyote, dealing with his own depression and the depression of his son, AJ's suicide attempt, Meadow's new boyfriend and her altercation with Coco - all of it has occured under the stinking filth of asbestos being dumped in a wetland. Truly, the destruction of innocence. So Tony can call himself a basically good guy, but the end result of his actions leaves garbage, and not just garbage but garbage instead of pristine innocence.
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Re: Episode 6.19: The Second Coming - Grades and General Rev

#209
shantyirishman wrote:chaseisgod: Consider the way Chase has presented Chris to us this season. He's somewhat broken away from mob-life, found an alternative career he can be successful at, has been avoiding alcohol and drugs, has been avoiding the places that tempt him to use alcohol and drugs, has provided a decent life for his wife and daughter (especially when compared to the hovel he provided for Ade). In other words, Chase has presented us a Chris who is doing a lot of good in 6B. When Tony tries to undo this good, by undermining Chris's sobriety, TONY is the monster (after all, Tony DOES understand "depression" and other illnesses). If Tony leaves Chris alone (and he should have), Tony likely never would have had an opportunity to kill Chris. But in the end, it's TONY who destroys Chris, first by undermining Chris's sobriety, and then by holding his nose. That's what Tony has to feel guilty about regarding Chris's murder.


Excellent points, and right on the money. (In other words, I agree....) One more thing about the Second Coming -- when Tony sits down for coffee, he tells Carmella he just can't shake his depression. I thought he was talking about AJ, but he also could have been talking about Christopher. I just don't think they're going to let Tony off scot-free for Christopher's death.....

Re: Episode 6.19: The Second Coming - Grades and General Rev

#210
After watching this episode 25 times, studying the script, investigating everything from the dusty pile of asbestos (which looked curiously like the load tht Vito Jr. left on the floor of the lockerrroom) to what was playing on the television in the hospital when Carm was talking to AJ (it looked like a girl with pigtails...HEIDI??????), here is what I absolutely know for absolutely certain:

After he saved AJ, Tony walked back into the house and ate that other Lincoln Log sandwich.

Come on, you know he did.

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