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The Paris Trip: Carmela's "Join the Club"

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Re: The Paris Trip: Carmela's "Join the Club"
Old May 22nd, 2006, 04:40 AM   #11
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I don't blame Rho for getting ticked off at Carm. That woman has been through so many losses over the last "10" years (Soprano years) that she went there to have a good time. She has been single since her husband died and only had one relationship I can think of right now with Ralph. During which she lost her son.

She was there to hook up with some young French dude and have a good time. They apparently spend a lot of time together on a weekly basis in NJ. Carm could talk to her about the deaths of her husband and son in NJ, not PARIS! It was a vaction, not some weekend getaway to meditate and remember those they have lost.

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Old May 22nd, 2006, 07:20 AM   #12
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When Carm was reading the plaque about so-and-so being killed on this very spot, I couldn't help but think about Jackie Jr's murder. There will never be a plaque marking the spot where he was killed.

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Old May 22nd, 2006, 08:15 AM   #13
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i think the sign might be seen as a little counterpart towards tonys pointing to the tv showing the nazis marching under the arc de triomphe.
the name francois martine with the date doesnt give any results on google though, its either made up or not too well known(not trying to diss the man here).
carm wasnt 'translating' really, she had her little brochure and was saying what she read about the sign.

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Old May 22nd, 2006, 11:24 AM   #14
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I regarded the searchlight in Paris sighting as more dire for Carm. The searchlight for Tony was the landmark that drew him to the Inn at the Oaks, where he was to exit this life. When Carm spied the searchlight and it was so close to her, I was fearing she would not make it out of last night's episode alive.





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Old May 22nd, 2006, 11:35 AM   #15
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Ro's forgetfulness



I found it very revealing that Rosalie twice forgot things, first her red glove and then some tickets for something.

I saw it as a parable to how she chooses to forget and suppress what happened to her son. What can she do about it? light a candle.

Will Carmella be contect with forgetting and lighting a candle for Ade? I dont think so.



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Old May 22nd, 2006, 11:37 AM   #16
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Is it a deliberate coincidence (an oxymoron, to be sure),
that Carm and Ro take their trip to Paris the same
weekend that "The DaVinci Code" hit movie theaters?

I'll have to view the episode again. But I was pleased
with its back-to-basics, David Chase twists and turns.

Oh, and with Tony and Phil meeting at the Lou Costello
statue in Paterson, I suspect they will and already have
the "beginnings of a beautiful friendship" together.
"Who's on first...?" remains to be seen between the
NY/NJ mob futures.

Of course, the Paris and "Casablanca" references with
the closing song "As Time Goes By," was a perfect
choice to demonstrate all of the relationships in
the characters of "The Sopranos," as well as the
human condition, in general.

Carmela's seeing the dead Adrianna twice now,
implies to me a sense of foreboding about her
future. Her nest is getting emptier and she doesn't
quite know how to fill it again with something
meaningful for the second half of her own life.

She still succumbs to shopping and wearing
designer coats with the full wallet Tony gave
her before she went to Paris. She does begin
to realize there's more to perceive in life, art,
and history while in Paris. But her epiphany
still seems beyond her intellectual, experiential
and existential reach, as was Tony's after his
NDE experience.

To top it all off, perhaps Tony and Carmela's
almost desperate, love/hate fears about A.J.'s
future, imply that they both might think their
son is gay. That scene with A.J. laughing his
head off while chatting on the computer, could
mean he's talking to some pedophile!

Out of the closet and into the fire....

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Old May 22nd, 2006, 12:09 PM   #17
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Casablanca (1942)

Lyrics 1
"As Time Goes By"
music and words by Herman Hupfeld


[This day and age we're living in
Gives cause for apprehension
With speed and new invention
And things like fourth dimension.
Yet we get a trifle weary
With Mr. Einstein's theory.
So we must get down to earth at times
Relax relieve the tension

And no matter what the progress
Or what may yet be proved
The simple facts of life are such
They cannot be removed.]

You must remember this
A kiss is just a kiss, a sigh is just a sigh.
The fundamental things apply
As time goes by.

And when two lovers woo
They still say, "I love you."
On that you can rely
No matter what the future brings
As time goes by.

Moonlight and love songs
Never out of date.
Hearts full of passion
Jealousy and hate.
Woman needs man
And man must have his mate
That no one can deny.

It's still the same old story
A fight for love and glory
A case of do or die.
The world will always welcome lovers
As time goes by.

Oh yes, the world will always welcome lovers
As time goes by.

© 1931 Warner Bros. Music Corporation, ASCAP



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Old May 22nd, 2006, 12:15 PM   #18
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Carmela in the "City of Light;" Carmela's unfolding enlightenment, right? I just loved the way the writers created in Carm a thirst and an enthusiasm for all that this experience seemed to provoke in her: aesthetic appreciation, philosophical depth, historical perspective...heck she even appeared physically softer...less harsh. While gazing at Madonna-with-child statuary, she even seemed to be nearing some sort of symbolic rapprochement with AJ. In that Carm typically continues to waver between the hard-edged materialist and the principled Catholic wife, this quenched a thirst (for me, that is to say) for the redemption of this character, albeit most likely transitory in nature. I felt that she was kind and sympathetic to Rosalie, her coarse yet good-natured companion. It will be interesting to see how this experiences impacts her. I imagine that for Rosalie it will be bookmarked as a fabulous shopping trip. For Carm, however, it is possible that now that the cow is out of the barn, a return to all that was predictable and disappointing, may now be less acceptable.

For a second, before Ade faced the camera, I thought that we were getting a glimpse of Carm's alter...how and what she would have been in a parallel reality. Not sure how to interpret the Ade dream: maybe Carm's nagging doubts coupled with a nagging desire to further probe? Or, a longed for sign that Ade is at peace with little Cosette, sort of like the eternal rest scenario proposed by Rosalie in regard to her own son.



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Old May 22nd, 2006, 02:16 PM   #19
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>But I was struck by Rosalie hugging a crying Carmella and humming "As Time Goes By" (which is also used in the end credits).<hr></blockquote>
Just nitpicking here, but the song Ro hums in that scene is 'La Vie En Rose.'



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Old May 22nd, 2006, 02:58 PM   #20
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<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Just nitpicking here, but the song Ro hums in that scene is 'La Vie En Rose.'<hr></blockquote>

I don't consider it nitpicking. I knew it wasn't "As Time Goes By". And I knew the tune . . . it's pretty famous. Just didn't know the name of it. Thanks for the clarification.

Is it from a movie as well?



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